I really loved looking at peoples profiles and seeing what they were hunting and how many eggs they had already hatched. The new site still has the information but doesnt show the images of the Pokemon anymore. I find this disappointing because looking at other peoples Shine Recorders is boring and more time-consuming.
In the foreseeable future will the layout of user pages look like they used to, or?
Oh, and also: On the same topic, being able to view a users Shiny boxes directly from there user page was really cool too. This has also been taken away...not completely, but is, again, less fun than it used to be. Any chance these features will return?

Sadly, I don't believe there are chances. This has been discussed before and the eggs are staying. That's one bad aspect of the new site; it used to be simpler to access pages and view things in the old one, like the shinies someone is hunting and someone's pokémon, for example, which could previously be done simply by scrolling down the page, and that was it, they would be all there.

I personally would also like these to return, particularly the old Shine Recorder display. They spiced up the mostly boring profile page. Achievements did too (seeing that page stretch was always satisfying), but not as much.

I think the best way to do this would be to be able to showcase a single box (maybe two) or your Shine Recorder rather than Achievements. I feel like the Achievements showcase doesn't really add much or stand out.

But yeah, this is probably how it's going to stay. Ah well.

I kept a tab open for the old site just so I could look at all the sprites together of what I was hunting (and other peoples too) I don't mind it not being on the profile page, but it'd be cool to see the shiny sprites instead of the egg sprites when you look at the sh recorder tab on the profiles

I agree with this suggestion. As I mentioned in another thread, I loved seeing other people's shiny hunts and the sprites of their prospective shinies and often it inspired me for future shiny hunts of my own. I have other ways of finding shinies (and used a database site to organise my current "shiny wishlist"), but I miss that feeling of getting impressed of those sprites on users' pages.

I think it makes more sense to not not reveal what the shiny looks like before you get it. And if you see the sprites on the persons page, and they have the eggs they're hunting for, that would almost identify the egg(s) for you if you can put two and two together in terms of what pokemon comes out of what egg. The user doesn't have to have the eggs that're hunting, but they are kind of very likely to fill their parties with those eggs.

And if you wanted to view the boxes a person had set to public, it was always easier to go to the pc part of the user page, than to look at the boxes one by one. So I don't think there's that much benefit to bringing the single box with a rolldown back to the front page, the pc or now pokemon page is better anyway.

They did it on the old site, why would it make a difference now? o_O

The only reason I can think of them not wanting to do it would be stretching the Shine Recorder tab because not all the sprites are the same size. But maybe we have have them toggled at least? Like hover over and it switches to the sh sprite? That way we can only see them if we choose to. It's better than not seeing them at all.

If we had the option to switch between eggs and shine sprites, that would be huge possibility to identify eggs.

And for why the change is reasonable if it was for the reasons I mentioned. That's exactly the same kind of change they did to exploration tasks a while back. You can correct something that has not turned out to be the way things should be.

Actually, when I think about it, maybe it would be better to not show the name of the pokemon int h shine recorder when a user doesn't have that entry in their dex. Now it puts up the mystery egg sprite. But a user would be very likely, like I said, to have eggs of what they're shiny hunting. So if you could put two and two together with the name of the pokemon and the egg sprite, that's could be just as bad as looking at the hatched pokemon sprite.

Not really. If you don't have the egg dex in your... dex, you can't see what the egg's sprite looks like.
For example, Pokii is hunting Arceus, I don't have Arceus in my Egg Dex so it appears with the blank egg sprite.

Yup same for me. Well my egg dex is full save for Arceus..so I could care less about identifying anything. But yeah if it doesn't show the egg sprite because you haven't yet got one, it won't show the sprite either. Like how the option is in the dex where it blurs out the silouette

Removing even the name from the shine recorder's page would really go too far. If someone is smart enough to deduce which egg in the party is which in the recorder or deduce from the shiny sprite which egg is which species, he's smart enough to do that without the recorder showing sprites of the Pokemon or name of the eggs, by just looking at them anyway. That is really pushing it WAY too far.

The point is that for someone that doesn't have much clue about the way egg sprites match up to the pokemon, looking at users' shine recorders could be a potential help. Let's say that the user is shiny hunting corphish and some other eggs. And the user has some corphish eggs. If a user looked at those eggs before knowing anything anything, they could as well think that egg could be something else. So since the user is hunting a set of pokemon, the chance of those eggs that the user has several of to be something the user is shiny hunting is very high. So putting the names in is about as revealing as putting in the sprite of the hatched pokemon, which leads me to actually thinking that this is not the reason we see eggs instead of pokemon on that page. Maybe it's just because the shine recorder on the user page is matching more up to the one in the poketch.

Also, you can't use Arceus as an example that this doesn't work. The reason identifying works is because the user has the eggs in their party most of the time, which nobody usually do with legendaries.

Anyway, the way I think censoring should be done on the pokemon name and not on the egg sprite.

I really agree with this suggestion, I love doing that too. I wouldn't think how the website would be able to put in it but all I know is if it took 7 months of hard work, it might take like a couple weeks to fix this.

I understand that, but the reason Arceus was thrown in there was because it was an example of how we can't see it's egg there. The same goes for other people who haven't finished their egg dex. If the species name needs to be blurred out then fine, I just want to see the dang shiny sprites man ;_;

This post has been edited by DJ PON 3: Sep 12 2012, 03:08 PM

I also support this: I vastly preferred seeing shiny sprites for my hunts instead of the egg. Kind of gave me the feeling that I could have my eyes on the prize, so to speak.

Just wanted to put in my two cents:
I'd love to be able to see the image of the shiny Pokémon on user pages again.
Like others said - it inspired me for my own hunts.

As for the argument against it - that users would be able to gain egg information on that Pokémon...
I don't think that will happen a lot, besides - by looking at someone else's Pokédex, doesn't that have the same consequence...? There are egg icons there, even for those that you don't have yet...

I like how Trixie Lulamoon put it - I like to keep my eye on the prize.
It kept me motivated and they're such pretty images to look at.

I'd love to see this feature come back.

This post has been edited by PokeNOM NOM NOM: Sep 14 2012, 05:31 AM

In terms of the argument against bringing this back, I agree with PokeNOM NOM NOM. I don't believe that by having the shiny sprites for hunts a user will be necessarily abusing the system to find out what egg correlates with what poke'mon. As NOM suggested, the poke'dex of another player will work just as well and much better to be honest. After all, all you have to do is search the random until you find someone with a poke'dex that is visible and then just go tramping around their list to find the egg you need. Of course this is subject to how many someone has found themselves but after some searching you are bound to find the one you are looking for.

In addition, the heritage page is also in a way to abuse the system to find out the egg and its sprite correlation. I mean honestly, using the same tactic of using the random page until you find the poke'mon you are looking for and then checking its heritage to see if there are any eggs still unhatched. Sure there is the possibility of two different eggs, being that there are two parents, but if you use any bit of common sense you could easily deduce which egg is what this way as well.

I don't really think it is a question to whether or not having shiny sprites will actually benefit and allow users to abuse the system. In those two examples alone there is already proof that you can abuse the system. Plus, despite how it isn't allowed, there probably still is a complete poke'dex somewhere on the internet if you look hard enough. In fact, type GPX+ Poke'mon Dex into the google search. Second one or if you don't want to count GPX+ itself, first one. So really it isn't that hard to find out the correlation of poke'mon. There are probably tons of other sites like that and friends who also play who know certain eggs. Is that considered 'cheating' to ask them as well? Is is 'abuse'? You probably can't claim that it is but I seriously don't think the question is to whether or not having shiny sprites will benefit a user in a negative way being that you can already abuse the system a whole heck of a lot if you really wanted to. I think the question in matter is to whether or not you want the sprites instead of eggs, disregarding all effects it may have. I don't think it matters that potentially if someone used their brain for a few minutes they could figure out egg and sprite correlation. To be honest if I seriously didn't know an egg and I was a newb I'd look online for a dex rather than spend my time trying to match eggs. There are plenty of ways to abuse the system, I don't think that this would add anything to the way that people already can abuse it.

This post has been edited by Wraenna: Sep 14 2012, 10:08 AM

I'll admit that it is true that there are ways to identify eggs by other means. But what I won't admit, is that that is a reason to not stop another way to identify eggs possible, if identifying eggs is something we don't want to happen. Let me make an exaggerated analogy. It is possible to smuggle narcotics into your country if you're smart enough. Therefore people will smuggle if they really want, and there's nothing we can do to stop that. Therefore we shouldn't use resources to prevent people from snuggling narcotics, because they will be able to do it anyway. Now this argument is obviously flawed, possibly in more ways, but the point is that we should try to prevent things we don't want to happen even when it's possible to do those things anyway.

But this argument doesn't lead us anywhere, because, like I pointed out, the system isn't laid out to prevent this at the moment anyway. So that can't be used in the argument of keeping the eggs.

A reason to let it be the way it is now, is because the shine recorder in the poketch and the shine recorder on the user page is laid up in the exact same way. By making the shine sprites return to the user page, it would be logical to do the same thing in the poketch, right? But that would be a change to how the shine recorder, that never had any change like that. Why do we need to make that change now? That's an argument that was used for changing it back, so I would say that the argument is invalid when you want the shine recorder to be same on both places.

I think it's a good thing to keep the shine sprite a mystery until you get it. Makes getting it better, because part of the reward is to know what the shiny looks like. Of course you can find the image if you're smart enough, but using that as an argument to put the image right on there is the same as saying that the egg sprites should put on there for users without the entries yet. If you want to pick shiny hunts based on how the shiny looks like, there are other options than the shine recorders of people to find out what they look like.

TBH I'd like to hear why not from an actual mod. Arguing about this isn't going to get us anywhere. I still want the sh sprites, just like Trixie said "to keep an eye on the prize". I LIKED SEEING THEM. Even now I go to my sh recorder page to see them and they aren't there and it sucks. Why is that a problem? Changing it won't ruin anything about the site because people can already figure out what eggs are if they really really want to.

They're not displayed on the main profile tab anymore because we have the Shine Recorder tab instead. Doing things this way decreases the amount of data the page has to initially load when just looking at someone's profile, and it cleans it up a lot.

The shine recorder tab is just the same as the shine recorder you see when viewing it from your own Pokétch (and indeed it uses the same file). We have no plans to change it to display the Pokémon images; name and egg is more than enough.

If you're using it as a way to find something that you might be interested in hunting, by randomly seeing what other people are hunting and what its shiny looks like, you can easily accomplish this by looking at any off-site Pokémon dex (or a full sheet image of all the shiny Pokémon).