In my eyes a 3x bonus is meaningless.
Because either you don't get the bonus because of this 35 maturity per click thingy, or you just get hit by the 1hour rule three times as fast.

you can level pokemon. plus i've been doing okay with getting eggs that have been in the shelter long enough that i don't have to wait to hatch them.

Or if you're just slow. I'm a pretty slow clicker, and that x3 bonus would have probably let me see that one-hour limit, for once. =/

This is what i don't get. Say you block ads. You're supposed to be not penalized not reqarded, yes? But If we're not being penalized, how come our lucky eggs and cm days arn't doing shit? I'd call not being included in a site fuction like CM days a penalty. Especially since the only times my ads get blocked are when they don't load AT ALL.
Not to mention with this much lag it's hard to tell if it's the ads that arn't loading or the whole page timing out or what

This post has been edited by Annakyoyama358: Jun 25 2010, 03:54 PM

wait..... what?

i'm not sure why CM isn't working for y'all, maybe just a bug, maybe intentional, who knows. but i'm not certain where you got the idea that there was no penalty for adblocking?

"A number of site mechanics, including maturity growth, as well as the rates at which you find certain Pokemon are going to be reworked. At the end, users with the donor status, as well as users who don't block advertisements will have increased maturity rates on their Pokemon, as well as priority access to rarer Pokemon."

i realize that adblockers are getting decreased maturity rates while ours stays the same, instead of our maturity increasing, but either way, blocking ads causes eggs to hatch slower than not blocking ads, so.... same difference. there was definitely meant to be a difference between blockers/nonblockers, yeah o.o

Yes, there was supposed to be a difference. But it wasn't supposed to be a penalty. Non-blockers/donors, as I understood it, were supposed to get more maturity - blockers' maturity gains would stay the same as they were before the update. It seems that ended up not being what happened, so it WAS a penalty rather than a bonus for those who contributed to the payments somehow.

to-may-to, to-mah-to. maybe it was meant to originally be extra maturity for donors & they decided that would lead to an egg shortage from everyone hatching faster, or something, and thought this was better. maybe they tweaked the egg maturity for everyone to the lower amount, and then raised it back up to the original amount as a perk for donors/non-blockers :P i think their point was just that non-blockers would get higher maturity gains than non-blockers, and that's still the case either way.

Except no, it isn't the same. I was fine with blocking ads when eggs got ~50 maturity - it would mean it took the same amount of time for my eggs to hatch. Now it doesn't. There IS a difference. It's not about who gets more, it's about how much blockers - or "blockers", for those who don't block but are affected - get in the first place. It takes longer to hatch our eggs than it used to, and that's the problem, not that other people hatch their eggs faster in general.

What DEon said.
It was supposed to be that non-blockers got bonuses, but that blockers stayed the same. And since blockers used to get CM day bonuses, that would be 'the same'. But for whatever reason, even those who don't block ads, and just click to quickly once in a while, or who lag out, are not getting cm bonuses. Therefore, PROBLEM. Particularly for those like ME, who turn adblock off on the site but are getting penalized by an occassional bout of lag when tabs are opening, or closing.

This post has been edited by Annakyoyama358: Jun 25 2010, 05:19 PM

Not to mention there was never any mention of CM bonuses being part of the possible effects. I think it's just a glitch, but it'd be kind of sad if it's intentional that adblockers don't get those bonuses - especially if we were never told about it.

Not to mention i'm willing to bet that adblockers still count twoards the Mystery counter increasing.

"A number of site mechanics, including maturity growth, as well as the rates at which you find certain Pokemon are going to be reworked. At the end, users with the donor status, as well as users who don't block advertisements will have increased maturity rates on their Pokemon, as well as priority access to rarer Pokemon."

it does say that the whole site mechanics of maturity growth were going to be reworked. :| like i said, maybe they lowered it for everyone and then brought it back up for donors, so that it was still an "increase" for us. that whole thing is kind of vague, it doesn't EXACTLY specifically say that the blockers would keep things exactly the same, which is why i don't really agree here.

i'm not saying that the CM problem is fair, but i'm inclined to wonder if that wasn't maybe intentional and is possibly a glitch or something. nor am i saying that i think its fair that some people are accidentally getting penalized without having ads blocked (although from skimming through the original announcement, it looks like alot of people didn't realize that other add-ons like noscript could also be blocking ads, & i swear i remember reading that just un-blocking gpx on some adblockers wasn't enough, there was something about google ads - so maybe at least a couple people just don't realize they're still blocking ads, lol). i'm just saying, arguing that you're getting less instead of us getting more.... eh. they can choose to reward people however they want xD

Frankly, if the CM bonus was part of it, THEN IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN IN AN ANNOUNCEMENT.
So it's either a glitch or GROSS negiligence of the trust we have in the admins.
I'm hoping it's a glitch

edit: also, they' implied that they wouldn't reduce everything because some minors can't change their computers settings

This post has been edited by Annakyoyama358: Jun 25 2010, 05:35 PM

This whole issue is made of fail. The mods aren't paying enough attention (see also: this thread reaching three pages before a mod looked at it), or addressing our concerns in a fair way. I'm a donor, but before that, I was mostly blocking ads because most of them were Flash ads, which slow the page down, and give me a headache to boot. If there weren't animated ads with lightning and flashing things and stuff scrolling by, I would have been a lot more inclined to not block them.

MODS. I can understand about the difference in maturity gains between blockers and non-blockers/donors. But it seems like most people were thinking, from the statement about it, that blockers would stay at the same level, and the "better" people would get a little more. This is the reverse, and no one was ever told outright that this was happening, if it is indeed the case. I'm not paying enough attention to tell if I'm having any of these problems, and also I'm too busy fighting with 504 error pages and general lag when I open more than one GPX tab at a time, but it's not fair at all for the people who ARE experiencing these problems. People who don't want to deal with ads for whatever reason -- they're headache-inducing, they eat bandwidth, whatever -- should not be punished for this. Period. Giving you guys money should give donors perks that are slightly above non-donors. It shouldn't just be what EVERYONE had before, with non-donors and people who block ads shoved onto the failboat version of the site working. The CM thing especially is inexcusable. That's a major thing on the site, especially with higher number needed to get it now, and it's a lot of why people try and click a lot at all.

Fix it, or you're going to start losing users.

I'm not going to go hunting through the thread to find quotes, so it's entirely possible I'm wrong or that they changed it after all, but I remember people (including myself?) asking if maturity rates would stay the same for blockers and the answer was yes, that this won't change. Maybe they did rework that. It's not really the issue for *me* - it's a problem for the people who don't block ads and Zerxer did say he was getting Big Bidoof to look into that.



I think it's probably a glitch too - we definitely didn't hear anything about CM days. It's just a glitch that is extremely problematic for lots of members. I also think the fact that the Lucky Egg doesn't seem to be working for "blockers" (some of us have it, and we don't see increased maturity over those who don't) is probably another glitch. They might not be, though. If not, it'd be really appreciated if we heard about it - and if it is a glitch, then it really needs to be fixed, because blockers should be getting those benefits, too. They worked hard for the CM days and the Lucky Eggs, too.

This stoopid glitch pretty much forced me to donate.
My wireless derped and made the site think i was a blocker

Now im screwed over =/

With respect to people getting the message saying they're blocking ads when they aren't, there's really only three possibilities:

1) You're blocking them and don't realize it.
2) You're using a severely outdated web browser and the JavaScript doesn't work properly.
3) Either your connection is really poor or you're simply doing too much at once, and the JS for the ads doesn't load.

Which aren't really factors it can take into consideration, and are really all things you'd have to correct on your own.

And as an aside, how long the page takes to load has nothing to do with anything it since it's client-side Javascript that only executes once the page is fully loaded, and is entirely dependent on your computer and nothing else.

Then do tell, what can be blocking ads when you're on both my firewall and my adblockers safelist? And why wuold the ads not load when you let the page load fully? Because neither of these explanations makes much sense

Also, what of the CM bonuses? Is it a glitch or what? Is there any way to make this 'adblockers' list less unfair?

This post has been edited by Annakyoyama358: Jun 25 2010, 05:48 PM

Don't ask me, I'm not the one who puts software on your computer, and I have no idea what extensions you'd have or whatever. But, if you only see if when you're mass-clicking, then probably #3 - you simply need to open less Pokemon at a time.

With respect to interaction multiplier bonuses like today and CM days, allow me to remind you - "There may also be other limitations imposed on restricted accounts, which are not yet decided."

Which you could MAYBE inform us of? It doesn't seem fair that you would take something like that away with no explanation. Especially because we help EARN those bonuses.
Have you considered the idea earlier in the thread, about having to block a small percentage of ads in order to be called a blocker? In order to stave off most of these unfair or mistaken block detectors?

This post has been edited by Annakyoyama358: Jun 25 2010, 05:57 PM